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Owen Levanth
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Posted - 2014.10.22 11:43:39 -
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Archetype 66 wrote::)
What Kind of bonuses they provide ? +30 alpha ? Rof ? Omni dmg ?
Your phone is broken. |
Owen Levanth
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Posted - 2014.10.22 13:43:25 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Blighted, seriously? Unstable, experimental, viscous, anything else?
I'll just list words because I'm bored, personal favourites underlined:
Evaporative Unstable Eruptive Labile Turbulent Fraught Charged Tense Erratic Protean Agitated Frantic Tumultuous
How about:
-Cursed -Demonic -Fouled -Virulent -Monstrous -Deadly -Tempestuos -Fatal -Lethal -Idiosyncratic |
Owen Levanth
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:48:25 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:Blighted, seriously? Unstable, experimental, viscous, anything else?
I'll just list words because I'm bored, personal favourites underlined:
Evaporative Unstable Eruptive Labile Turbulent Fraught Charged Tense Erratic Protean Agitated Frantic Tumultuous
How about: -Cursed -Demonic -Fouled -Virulent -Monstrous -Deadly -Tempestuos -Fatal -Lethal -Idiosyncratic How about "oxymoronic"?
That would only work with a line of suicide weapons damaging your own ship, instead of just reducing the resists.
But I like "forbidden". "Forlorn", "Forgotten" are also nice sounding descriptions.
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Owen Levanth
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Posted - 2014.10.28 11:44:28 -
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A problem I just noticed: In the OP it claims there are "Stigmatic" Heavy Neutron Blasters, but those apparently didn't get seeded on SiSi.
Kind of dumb, really. I had a Deimos prepared to test them with, now I have to go outfit a Zealot, since medium lasers at least exist. |
Owen Levanth
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Posted - 2014.10.30 13:43:52 -
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After taking a short look at polarized weapons today, I noticed a weird error: The OP says there should be a Heavy Neutron Blaster version of them, but it's not in the market.
Has CCP forgotten to seed the medium version of the neutron blasters? |
Owen Levanth
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Posted - 2014.10.30 14:23:21 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Soden Rah wrote:Well as we have all learned, making something pricey doesn't work very well in balancing... titan blobs anyone... The one area where balancing on price kind of works, as CCP has mentioned, is suicide ganking. It doesn't prevent anyone from fitting an eight-figure Catalyst, but the guaranteed loss of the ship offers a strong disincentive to do so. If the price is pitched too low, every gank Catalyst and Brutix and Talos in creation will immediately be fitted with these weapons. Maybe some of the autocannons will end up on gank Thrashers. And that will be about it.
Not the Brutix. Except with gimmick fits using medium projectile or -laser weapons. Because I get the feeling CCP has completely forgotten to add the medium blaster weapons. |
Owen Levanth
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:31:21 -
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Soden Rah wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:Soden Rah wrote:Well as we have all learned, making something pricey doesn't work very well in balancing... titan blobs anyone... The one area where balancing on price kind of works, as CCP has mentioned, is suicide ganking. It doesn't prevent anyone from fitting an eight-figure Catalyst, but the guaranteed loss of the ship offers a strong disincentive to do so. If the price is pitched too low, every gank Catalyst and Brutix and Talos in creation will immediately be fitted with these weapons. Maybe some of the autocannons will end up on gank Thrashers. And that will be about it. Not the Brutix. Except with gimmick fits using medium projectile or -laser weapons. Because I get the feeling CCP has completely forgotten to add the medium blaster weapons. Well given that med blasters were what I was testing with I don't think they have forgotten to add them.
Then why aren't they showing up in my client? I've looked over my market setting several times now, Polarized Heavy Neutron Blasters don't show up.
Have other people seen this problem turn up, too? I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who can't test medium polarized blasters. |
Owen Levanth
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:50:36 -
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Soden Rah wrote:
I don't know.
I'll have a look when I get home and can boot up SiSi.
Have you tried searching the market with the keyword Polarized, rather than just looking under blasters?
Because that's how I picked up the ones I'm using.
Yes I did. Several times. Things I also tried:
1. Logging in and out repeatedly. Problem persists across several days now.
2. Checking and un-checking the checkbox for the visibility of items not on the local market. Everything else not available appears and disappears like it should. (Also all other Polarized weapons are seeded on the market, so they aren't influenced by this, but I wanted to be thorough.)
3. Closing and opening the market-window several times. No change.
From my point of view I can only conclude polarized medium blasters aren't there.
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Owen Levanth
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Posted - 2014.10.30 21:00:31 -
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Soden Rah wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:Soden Rah wrote:
I don't know.
I'll have a look when I get home and can boot up SiSi.
Have you tried searching the market with the keyword Polarized, rather than just looking under blasters?
Because that's how I picked up the ones I'm using.
Yes I did. Several times. Things I also tried: 1. Logging in and out repeatedly. Problem persists across several days now. 2. Checking and un-checking the checkbox for the visibility of items not on the local market. Everything else not available appears and disappears like it should. (Also all other Polarized weapons are seeded on the market, so they aren't influenced by this, but I wanted to be thorough.) 3. Closing and opening the market-window several times. No change. From my point of view I can only conclude polarized medium blasters aren't there. Ok it's not just you. I have a set happily fitted to my Thorax... and In my hanger. But I can't see any on the market. They lack an option for viewing them on the market in their view info windows or r-click menus, and if you add them to the market quick bar it says "This item is not available on the market". I'm going to go ahead and call this a bug. I have just contracted 20 to you on SiSi to try out if you want.
Thanks, that does help with testing. (I also noticed the info-window for the weapons has "find in contracts" instead of "find market-details", so apparently someone messed something up when adding them into the game.) |
Owen Levanth
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Posted - 2014.10.31 14:23:19 -
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So, I tested some polarized weapons know and my verdict:
Not impressed. Seriously, for neutralizing all your resists the weapons are simply too weak.
I've tested against some harmless rats and even though most of the time every rat died when I pointed the weapons at them, I was only marginally faster then with normal T2-blasters.
Now I could envision some weird PVP-setup where you pack your Arazu full with them, decloak right next to a surprised enemy and then paste him. The trouble with that is: Your DPS is far too low to pull this off, since you're practically helpless while doing this.
I can see someone try something similar with a Blackbird or a Falcon, since ECM is their first line of defense, anyway. Pilgrim is again the redheaded stepchild, thanks to being bonused for drones/neuts.
Of course, you could instead use normal T2-weapons in this way and could actually survive. Polarized weapons just push up your killmail-value.
Maybe someone could try a cloaky Zealot for the polarized pulse lasers, but this seems risky.
The large polarized seem to be all suicide, no gain. I guess you could at least use the turret-versions on battlecruisers like the Oracle and the torps on bombers.
All in all, I think this conecpt can work, but right now it's too niche. If they make those things buildable by dropping parts and BPCs in exploration, I think explorers will be the most disappointed.
To be useful, the weapons either need to get way more powerful, or the stupid 0-resist effects needs to get at least halved. |
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Owen Levanth
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Posted - 2014.10.31 18:35:41 -
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Bjurn Akely wrote:Soden Rah wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:I did some math at work this night. For my style of fighting this is going to work really well. The weapons are for from under-powered. But using them in brawls or (most) PvE is probably not the way to go. I am fine with this as I think any new weapons should be edge cases and specializations for a special and narrow task. After all, weapons work fine as they are now. There is balance. Ok... Great. What's your style of fighting that you think benefits from these weapons? Tanked HIC holding stuff while long range does DPS. Just a question of making sure the targets can not reach the DPS. . . But it's a special case. Something that I foresee being put to use once in a while and not a regular fit. That thing is key. I think the people thinking this is to under-powered want a replacement weapon system. Something fitted always. I see it as an option used in special cases.
Personally, I would prefer something like the mode-change for the new T3-destroyers. A mode giving more firepower while lowering your defenses. Practically what the weapons are supposed to be right now, just without completely dropping the resists.
But this is because I abhor extremes and would never fit Polarized weapons as they are now. I tend to like having a plan for emergencies and not having any resists sounds like just inviting disaster to me.
One test fit I tried used plates and two active armor-reps to give at least some survivability. But: It turns out I could fit the ship normally with tank and T2-weapons and would have ended up with more DPS. That's kind of what I mean: Why should I ever use Polarized weapons if the difference to normal weapons is so low? I can just fit 1-2 more weapon mods and suddenly I have more DPS.
Or I guess I can solely fit for damage on my Polarized-ship and hope I never get hit.
On the other hand, if those "glass cannons" see a lot of use in gangs and fleets, I'll quitely accept this. More stuff for my main to find while doing exploration. I just don't want Polarized weapons ending up so useless they'll end up shitting my part of the game, too. |
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